David of the Desert

May 19

In Lighting, On Location at 4:44pm

The cool thing about teaching photography is actually how much you learn while you do it. Such was the situation in Dubai a couple of weeks ago. Amazing faculty. Felt like a kid in a candy store. Wanted to go to all the classes.

A big lure of teaching in Dubai of course, is teaching in Dubai. One of the truly strange, nutty, breakneck places on earth. So I was determined to get out into the desert before leaving. I mean, out there, where you see nothing but sand and sky. Got a model, a makeup artist, a couple of drivers with Rovers, David Hobby, a local assistant, a…..@#%%&**#$$&&%#….hey, wait a minute, David Hobby???!!!

David was teaching as well, and when he found out I was going to the hot sand he was in. Lessee….going out shooting small flash with David Hobby? Uh, wanna rate that on the cool meter?

Next thing, we’re slewing through the sand, riding dunes in a Rover like a surfer rides the waves, looking for a spot where the undulating sand and the play of light and shadow might be favorable. That kinda sorta is everywhere out there. Just wild and alien, so for both of us, the radar was way up, DEFCON 5, the way it gets when you are seeing something you haven’t seen before.

We picked a charming spot right by some petrified camel shit and went to work. Between me and David, we got a bunch of of the SB800 strobes, and of course, I never met a subject I couldn’t overlight, so we put up a mess of them. It was kind of this loopy strobe puzzle stuck on the end of a c-stand. A strobe clusterf–k, in other words.

Here’s the thing. We have both been messing with hi speed strobe sync, and, as I mentioned in a previous blog, the SB has a handy feature called Auto FP hi speed sync, where the strobe will stick with the camera even up to 1/8000 of a second. The problem is power. The FP deal knocks the oomph out of the flash, so to punch back, we put up multiple lights, and cranked out a decent picture of Lenka, our wonderfully bemused model.

We had a happy accident. (I love those! Always tell my editors I planned it that way.) Thought we would run the lights through a Lastolite diffuser, but the wind was such the diffuser was flopping around like a freshly landed tuna, and raw light from the top couple SB units hit Lenka. Hmmmm……looked good. The diffuser continued to behave like an unruly child so we dumped it and went with open, hard light. Now there was too much light, even in FP mode. Dialed ‘em down a touch, and started making frames.

David had the notion of a hard sidelight and grabbed a spare flash and circled slightly behind and camera left of the model. No diffuser dome. Zoomed it to 105 and used his hand as a gobo so there was no telltale spill on the desert floor. That’s a great trick right there. He shielded or cupped the light with his hand, holding the SB unit with his other hand and then running the video camera clenched between his teeth. Just an astonishing display of versatility.

So here’s a problem, or at least something to watch out for. See Lenka’s shadow? It’s not clean. Has no simple, hard edge the way you would get from the sun, or one, definitive light source. I was kind of sloppy putting these up, and the result is a variation in the angle of approach from the various sources. In the best of worlds, you could use one strobe, or at least gang them coherently so the direction is slightly more unified. Remember that once you set one of these puppies off, photons go everywhere, and once they get out they’re tougher to catch than a fart in a bag. So it is best to try to line them up on the same axis if at all possible.

We wrapped out of that position, and the sun had hazed out considerably, enough that we could shoot right into it. This, in alot of ways, was a more manageable setup. Went to a shoot through umbrella with 3 SB units on Justin clamps. Didn’t use multiple units to increase power, cause I was still dictating f-stop from the camera, but what this does is increase the volume, or surface area of the light in relation to the subject. Makes it more all embracing, wrapping, and softer in it’s rotation from highlight to shadow. Tried this first.

Not happy. Kinda flat. Moved in…..

Liked this better. Flagging off the bottom of the umbrella helps gradate the light. It’s very helpful when there is the desert floor in the picture.

Light started plunging after this, so we did a quick change and knocked out one last view before jumping back into the Rovers, going to the hotel, grabbing a quick bite and a shower, repacking and heading for the airport for the 14 hour romp to JFK.

Had some hits and misses out there, to be sure. One thing about working TTL wireless in combo with aperture priority mode on the camera is shifting output and some exposure variance. This is not inconsistency, I don’t think, but rather the camera point of view changing ever so slightly, which is causing the camera and strobe system to exchange different messages, and producing different results. Afterwards, I realized I coulda/shoulda gone, at least for a bit, into flash value lock, or FV mode. You can program that feature into your function button on the front of the D3. Program it, then tap the function button and the flash output will be locked. Of course, I thought of that later. Had one of those “THWACK! Coulda had a V-8!” moments. It’s why I have a flat forehead at this point in my career.

On this last shot I used a gold Lastolite Tri-Grip reflector instead of my kneecaps. The tri-grip gives a nice warm fill, while my legs are much more neutral and give up only about a half stop of bounce.

So, all in all, fun in the desert. Over the top in certain ways, to be sure. 7 SB800 units is pretty wacky, I’ll be the first to admit. But the high speed sync is enabled with these guys, and that is helpful. I do use bunches of these units periodically, either in a teaching environment, or ganging them through a big silk or panel. The trigger for all these CLS guys was the either another SB unit or the SU800, which is a pretty directional, powerful trigger, which I have found works real well, even in bright sun.

Also, having David Hobby on location was pretty cool. David is one of those guys who just knows. I’m out there making wild-ass guesses, but a guy like David has got it locked. Plus he’s got a great recipe for camel shit shavings. Little melted mozzarella, some garlic and red pepper, quick garnish, and you are eatin’ in style.

He also cooked up this video to show what we were doing out there in the sand…

And if you wanna download the hi-res version, he’s got that posted as well.

The tools we have now are amazing. As David mentioned in his blog, I used to assist Mathew Brady, and that was a bear, shagging all those plates around in the back of a covered wagon. It is so much easier now.

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34 Responses to “David of the Desert”

John Says:
May 19th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

I love the ingenuity of the lighting and location. While I’m sure she is a lovely woman, the lighting actually makes her look a little “rough.”

I am always curious with all the effort put into this, what is the final intended usage of these photos. I assume beyond just for the fun of it or instructional.
Mark Leach Says:
May 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

Wow Joe, that’s an incredibly educationally blog post. The landscape shot of Lenka kneeling brings together perspective, lighting and location for an amazing shot.

Having read David’s post at Strobist what amuses me though is the symmetry of yours and David’s mutual admiration and shared modesty. A great attitude to see from two professionals.
Jim Cutler Says:
May 19th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

Joe, we’re both of the same Irish background and the same skin…so how the heck were you out in the DESERT SUN with shorts, no hat, and short sleeves? Forget the brilliant lighting you guys did with a tree of SB-800s, the REAL miracle was how you avoided desert sun!

Cheers from New York.
Greg Furry Says:
May 19th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

Joe,

What len(s) were you using for this shoot?
Daniel Says:
May 19th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

Great post Joe, I’d have to second what the second poster said.

@ Jim Cutler:
Coming from that region myself, it is not the sun you should be worried about.
The heat and humidity are way more dangerous.
The sun in the Middle East doesn’t burn as much as the sun in California! Because the air is filled with particles & pollutants that screen out some of the power the sun a bit.
Ken Says:
May 19th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

Joe,

Great shots, man what kind of SB800 monster was that???

I got 3 SB800 and I can now use them thanks to you blog several weeks ago, thanks again.

I going to my therapist office on Thursday and shot a portrait for a publication she is doing. Kinda nutty (pun intended, thats me, my wife says). I am going to take my my 3 SB800’s and my new trip grip Lastolite TriGrip Diffuser, One Stop - 48″ (1.2m). I hope I got the one you did Joe.

So any help for Ken in KY on this one……well I got a D300, thinking of my 15 to 70mm 2.8 or the new 14-24 2.8mm. Any advice on lens I would appreciate.

But you gotta know, I take all the credit here in my town, but give you credit here on your blog.

Know you now why I see a therapist.

Affectionately Nikon
Ken in KY
Chris Welch Says:
May 19th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

Inspirational as always!
Dennis Kielhorn Says:
May 19th, 2008 at 11:46 pm

Great! More videos, please! That “Making-of”-Stuff is really the best way to learn lighting. And it’s inspiration.
Danie Nel Photography Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 12:15 am

Hi Joe, great storytelling! Shooting in high summer down in here in South Africa produces similar challenges. I’ve had to hack my old Sunpak G4500, Vivitar 225, Nikon SB-16, Amity and my Speedlite EX’s together to fight back the sun.

Well done.
Tom Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 1:54 am

great shoot, I just wished i had a forest of sb800’s like that

note: is it just me or is that last picture not very flattering ? there is a spot of brown/gold (reflector highlight?) on her right cheek that looks rather weird. her skin is also a bit weird, she looks 10years older in that last shot.
or is this a compression problem? would love to hear what you have to say about this.

please don’t see this as negative commenting because you are the master to me.
Ken Anderson Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 2:09 am

Joe, Ditto on the lens, to bring the discussion down a bunch of notches; what are the red and green pieces of tape on the SB 800’s?
photonovice.net » Blog Archive » Desert Shooting Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 3:51 am

[...] not be that interesting. It’s Joe McNally and David Hobby in Dubai. Original blog posts are here and here. Enjoy the [...]
John Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 7:17 am

Oh, come on - we all know that CLS and other infrared triggering systems don’t work well outdoors. Or during daylight. Or beyond three feet.

I got so tired of hearing that sort of thing that I (and some buddies) deliberately started shooting under as extreme as I could still make CLS work. The results can be found on Flickr with the tag “extremecls”.

Thanks for the updates, Joe. It’s always interesting to me to note the differences between what you and David carry away from the shoot.
Michael Tissington Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 8:33 am

Joe, Why in some shots are you using an SB-800 as commander and in other the SU-800 ? Are there some situations where one performs better that the other ??
Andy P Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 9:41 am

Joe,

I’m very, very glad that ROUSs didn’t get you. It would have been a great loss to world of photography.

Thanks for sharing guys!
Andriy Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 10:02 am

What kind of fertilizer you use for you SB800 tree. I tried this, I tried that … they just don’t grow as nice as yours
On a more serious note, could you advise what to do if I use built-in commander, 2 flashes on both sides of the camera and camera is in vertical position. There are no walls around, so bouncing commands becomes a problem for the flash that’s on opposite site of built-in one. Holding the hand, so that some light is reaching problematic flash helps on occasion but not 100% fool proof.
Jason Bell Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 10:43 am

Joe,

Let me get this straight. You assisted Mathew Brady…. who died in 1896. That must put you at over 120 years old

The heat must have got to you….

The blog is inspirational as ever. Thanks a million.

Jase
Alessandro Rosa Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 10:59 am

What a great idea! Add lights to counteract the power drop-off of High Speed Sync. Does Canon have a similar function?

The Video was very informative too. Interesting to see you work. By the way,

R.O.U.S - The reason you didn’t see any was that they have all been shipped to the NYC Subway system!

Long live Princess Buttercup!
Nick Fancher Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

So so rad. I love that first shot of her with her front leg leading into the left of the frame. Not only do you have the technical stuff locked down and pushing the front lines but you also have an amazing eye for posing and composition. I love this post on every level. Thank you so much for sharing.

As you wish,
Nick
Andy M Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

“We picked a charming spot right by some petrified camel shit”

“A strobe clusterf–k”

“they’re tougher to catch than a fart in a bag”

How many brilliant photogs are out there that could write like that? you and Mr. Strobist are in another witty universe.

educational and inspirational as usual, love reading your pearls of wisdom.
debbi smirnoff Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

Why do you have red and green stickers on your strobes…it’s driving me crazy
Debbi
Khuong Hoang Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Hi Joe,
Thank you for the blog, between yours and Strobist’s blogs I am learning so much about lighting and photography. Watching your videos is absolutely the best way to learn lightings and how the great ones operate, thank you for sharing.
I’ve got your book ” the moment it clicks”, just awesome, stuffed full of invaluable advices and inspirations that have made me a much better photographer already. I really appreciate that!
Richard Cave Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

Hey this video pulled me out of trouble today on assignment, had to shoot in blazing sun with the subject stood under shade. I saw the video last night and shot on HP sync, subject lit beautifully the foreground lit perfectfully. I did have little panic and then I remembered the video.

The client was so happy she bought me a bottle of 12 year scotch.

I think there is more scope for a show featuring you and David to regulary appear on the net. You have a ready and waiting audience.

Many regards

Rich
John Says:
May 21st, 2008 at 10:13 am

Too cool Joe!

I’ve never seen such a setup and loved the story of why and how behind it. It was great that you had Strobist (David Hobby) along with you, I loved his video.

I can’t believe you fired all of those using Nikon’s CLS system and on TTL!!! I would have expected Pocket Wizards and a hoard of manual tweaking. Makes me want to go back and re-think my position on using both of those.

Thanks for the awesome post and info!!
Photoshop Insider » Thursday News Update Says:
May 21st, 2008 at 11:59 pm

[...] David Hobby and Joe McNally were both teaching in Dubai recently, and they had a video camera, and well….you just got to see the video for yourself, because it’s off the hook. They use this huge “cluster” of Nikon SB-800 flashes out in the desert for a live model shoot, and the results are just stunning. Plus, the video is very well-done, and you see how they set-up the shots, and well…like I said, you just gotta see it. You’ll find the article, and the video clip right here. [...]
min Says:
May 22nd, 2008 at 7:26 am

Hey Joe,
nice photos!
that SB800-flash-tree is real cool stuff!
FS|Photographers » Blog Archive » Portable Monster Softbox? Says:
May 23rd, 2008 at 12:03 am

[...] by a recent pair of blog posts from renowned photographer Joe McNally and Strobist.com, and my never-ending quest to find as many diverse lighting setups as possible [...]
Fotoklubben Midtjylland » Blog Archive » Video Post Says:
May 23rd, 2008 at 2:04 pm

[...] også hente videon i en højere opløsning lige her..Læs mere på Joe McNally Blog og David Hobby [...]
Brendan Says:
May 26th, 2008 at 5:59 am

Wauw thanks for the information i added your blog at my favoriets.

Greetz from Holland
Arne de Laat Says:
May 26th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

Hey,

Thats for the article and video great stuff!
i agree with just about all the comments posted before me, great teaching, wonderful stuff!

One thing that really cracked me up was when, in the video, you said:
“You could throw a car head light at her face and it would look great”
auch.

Greetz,
Arne - 153957 Photography
Strobes in the sand | Chris Beaumont Photography Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 3:52 am

[...] Joe McNally’s blog post on the shoot in the Dubai dunes, and here’s a follow up article by him about his past experiences shooting in the desert plus [...]
Moving Sky Says:
June 18th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

As much as I appreciate what Joe does with what seems like an endless supply of (Nikon sponsored?) SB800’s pulled out a bottom-less Pelican case, a shooter with even a decent budget must carefully evaluate the price/performance of gear. He says that using 7 SB800 is a bit wacky. But he needed for hi-speed synch. That’s an understatement. Here is why. It’s about the math.

7 SB800’s @ $325 = $2275
A gross of AA batteries at Costco 44.95 Don’t forget these have to be replenished.
Total: $2319.95 (note I didnt factor the cost of clamps - could be $25-$35 if usung Bogen superclamps or similar.

Pros: redundant light sources, one fails, you have 6 more
Lightweight
High speed synch
Can use some for fill some for key
iTTL does all the thinking in auto exposure. (do you know how to read a light meter?)

Cons
Lots of little boxes to keep track of
Lots of time to learn and set up the iTTL synch and configure no matter how easy he tells you the commander mode is
Don’t forget batteries. 7 units X 5 batteries each plus one set of back ups = 70 batteries!
Mounting 7 SB units on a C stand? Hurry, the sun is setting! Get all those clamps out! Hey, one is pointing away from the subject! Gee I didn’t factor those in the price comparison.
Al Gore will not be happy with your carbon footprint when you toss all those batteries in the landfill.

Or
Profoto AcuteB 600R Kit $2195
2-3 Photoflex or Lastolite reflectors (pending size and brand used) $100
1 spare flash lamp (ya gotta have a spare) $217.95
Total: $2512.95 (or spring for the Pocket Wizard version for $2475)

Pros:
A lot more power: 600 Watt/Seconds
Faster: Recycle Time of 2.6 sec @ maximum power, 0.09 sec @ minimum power
Higher speed synch: 1/1000 sec @ maximum power, 1/6800 sec @ minimum power
I can run/recharge the battery from a 12V outlet (The Range Rover mentioned should have at least 3.)
Better quality light (maybe a subjective thing)
Only 11 lbs (remind me to do a weight comparison of 7 SB800 with all those batteries.
Only 2 things to keep track of, power pack and lamp head.
Only one light to mount to the stand.
Cons:
???

prices based upon Samy’s Camera Website.

So if I am going to fork over $2K+, methinks this is a no-brainer. Profoto wins and they are one of the most expensive portable solutions available, There are several other options
Dan Says:
July 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm

To go through so much effort to produce such mediocre photos is hard to comprehend. Sorry for the negative critique.
Joe McNally Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:02 am

No need for apologies Dan…If I were to grade this a real assignment, I would give myself about a C, nothing more. But I do disagree about the effort–it was a gas. Photography for me has always been a process, good, bad, indifferent, I still like the feel of the field, and a camera in my hands. We were shooting for gadabout reasons, learning as we went. it was fun, so that makes the day successful to me, even if the pix aren’t. Best, Joe

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